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  Not invited to congregation “get togethers”. They finally said it

  by solomon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  we don’t get many invitations to congregational social gatherings.

  we don’t attend midweek meetings and miss about 1/3 of sunday meetings.

  we go in service at least once a month.

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  Blackmail at it's finest.
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  Just saw this on Facebbok, by Barbara Anderson, Disfellowshiping cancelled by "worldly" Court !

  by Phizzy in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  excuse the translation to english not being perfect ,.

  barbara anderson.

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  Governments make laws regarding human rights. Should there be slaves? At one time there were slaves. Fortunately, the government changed over time and made it illegal. They were challenged, they changed.

  Human rights. Churches make rules regarding human rights. Should they be allowed to? Who can challenge them? They claim god-given rights.

  At one time, according to the Bible, they sacrifice children in fire to Molech. That is what their 'god' required of them.

  Mormons use to claim the 'god-given right' to have many wives. They were challenged by government, human rights laws were changed. Other religions allow men to marry very young girls.

  Should humans have the right to change religions? Can religions be challenged without penalty?

  When JWs testify against illegal action by WT, they get disfellowshipped, lose their business, their families. If this happened in a business setting (a corporation fired an employee for testifying against their illegal actions) the employee could sue for illegal dismissing.

  Teachers, nurses, doctors and more must report even a SUSPICION of child abuse. Churches claim "clergy penitent privilege" ... even when an abuse victim comes to them for help.

  Why do religions have rights that businesses don't? Rights that enable destructive, harmful behavior.
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  When was it time for you to walk away from your congregation meetings and the WTBTS?

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the basic virtue for a human being is to be true to yourself – the integrity of thought, emotion, and action.. .

  ten years ago ( after 32 years as a jehovah's witness), i finally decided that my own mental sanity and being true to myself was more important than attending congregation meetings and serving the watchtower society.

  i stopped (years before) field service, the ministry school, answering at the watchtower studies, missed numerous meetings and walked in minutes before the meetings started and left after the closing prayer, i knew it was time to leave.

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  My 'mom' (haha, not so much a 'mom' now that I've left) studied and started meetings when I was five.... 1960.... I went to meetings w/my soon to be 3 sisters and a brother.

  2010 the generation teaching changed... I called Bethel, spoke w/a 'bro' about "why"... "explain it to me".... He said "Our brothers work so hard, wait for the article".

  2011 The two articles about 607 came out, I realized that ALL of it was a numbers game and a bunch of BS, could not stand to "sit with men of lies", could not stand going to a meeting after that! (My husband had woken up also)

  Helped my son, his wife, my sister and other son escape this deceit!

  So glad, so thankful!

  PS, thank you ZingMND, I believe your posts are very valuable, and true for helping others awaken. Developing a strong, loving relationship, with great memories outside the org is valuable also (go hiking, dancing, biking, whatevering together). Thx again!
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  What can a therapist really do?

  by Thetruthhurts in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  hi all, i've not read the forums for awhile as i've been trying to move on with my life but i'm back and posting for the first time feeling like i cant get a grip.

  so i'm wondering for those of you that have seen a therapist and say that it truly helps, what can be accomplished?

  i'm just really skeptical, but starting to feel desperate.

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  cha ching

  Thetruthhurts, I "PM'd" you... that means I sent you a message.. Look up by your name at the top of the page, there is a little envelope by it... It probably says "2". Click on it, and you will see my messages. ;-)
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  The "figurative" heart

  by Sour Grapes in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  about 25 years ago i gave a talk about how when the bible talks about the heart that it is the literal heart and how the heart and the brain are connected by nerve tissue.

  the watchtower even stated that some people who received a heart transplant would take on some of the personality of the donor.then all of a sudden the borg changed and said that when the bible refers to the heart that it is figurative.

  then when ever the watchtower referred to the heart it always put the word figurative in front of it.. does anyone know why there was a change in the use of the word heart?

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  My guess? Someone, of the higher ups... or someone's friend or child was going to die...

  They needed to change it so that they could "conscientiously" receive much needed medical treatment.

  
  
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  Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .

  these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.

  (1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.

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  Yay!!!! Babylon the DATE has fallen!
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  Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .

  these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.

  (1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.

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  What DO WT publications say? (in very, very tiny print, hoping you don't notice)

  In it's infamous Oct & Nov 2011 WT articles page 24 (after explaining on page 23 that business tablets from the Babylonian era "were dated to the day, the month and the year of the reigning king.") column two underneath the 3rd paragraph

  "Business tablets exist for all the years traditionally attributed to the Neo-Babylonian kings. When the years that these kings ruled are totalled, and a calculation is made back from the last Neo-Babylonian king, Nabonidus, the date reached for the destruction of Jerusalem is 587 BCE"

  Bam!

  We don't need to look at cracked stones written 200 years later, ask stupid questions of "what if".... We have documents for alllllll the years during Babylon's reign.

  Thank you, WT, you set me free!
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  Of Mozart and the Borg.

  by zeb in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i like listening to mozart.. i have noticed the site says it has been visited 181,232,000 plus times.. it has received 51,500 plus comments.. their much bragged about jw.org site has received hm visits?

  and comments of course?

  comments are denied... says a great deal about the call and power of blessed music..

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  Only 35 before his death, and look at the long list of ever famous, brilliant accomplishments! Two hundred and forty years ago... His music always stays in my head, as my piano instructor had me play these pieces in my training... Ever grateful!
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  What can a therapist really do?

  by Thetruthhurts in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  hi all, i've not read the forums for awhile as i've been trying to move on with my life but i'm back and posting for the first time feeling like i cant get a grip.

  so i'm wondering for those of you that have seen a therapist and say that it truly helps, what can be accomplished?

  i'm just really skeptical, but starting to feel desperate.

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  cha ching

  Dear thetruthhurts,

  Yes... the 'truth' hurts... I don't know if you still go to meetings, occasionally? or if your wife tries to 'update' you on the great things the Borg is doing, or how Jehovah has seen the problem of 'child sex abuse' and is 'blessing' the congregations/ publishers/ WT with 'new light'?

  Being out since 2012, after the 'overlapping generation... 607 is the wrong date thing, it would make me cringe to have to live with hearing the zombie like phrases WT trains people to have in their heads.... Especially if my spouse & kids were still in. Fortunately, for me, my husband, two kids, daughter in law, and my sister left at the same time... we talked, we reasoned...

  During these seven years, I have asked many people (all people I meet, actually) "What woke you up?" I also am keenly interested in how families have helped loved ones in their 'awakening'....

  Many have expressed that, over time, key phrases, questions, news articles were recalled, and the puzzle just started going together. Nowadays, the majority of newly awoken people I spoke to didn't wake up due to 'doctrinal' issues... but just felt 'something wasn't right'.

  They either didn't like the 'dumbed down' messages, videos, meeting parts where the WT was read, the answers given were simply quotes of what was read, and eyebrows raised if it was anything OTHER than exact.... it gave them the feeling of 'what's going on?'

  Also, watching Australian Royal Commission got so many people jumbled up and awoken... listening to a GB member Geoffrey Jackson say in WT style that, basically 'it would be presumptuous of us to say that we have the only true religion.' I actually don't know how he invented those answers so quickly. An extremely skilled con-artist.

  WARNING: Do not try to dump all of this info on your spouse at one time. I hear that 'talking to yourself'... "Hmmm, did he really go to Australia and testify?" or "I've never seen a GB in a court room" or "Oh my god, they didn't report it? there were 1,000 pedophiles noted so far?" maybe news articles about other relilgions doing wrong, and asking 'how can they do that?' or things like that.... very casually, and not to pressure them.

  Maybe watching an episode of Leah Remini/ Scientology, I think it was season 2 episode 2 or 3 where they interviewed reporters, investigators, professors, lawyers and they spoke of their experiences. It eerily mirrors JWs. (more extreme)
  Even the experiences of sexual abuse.... same as JWs...

  Then, there is the 'spend more fun time' with your spouse. Brainwashing depends on people being constantly bombarded with information, over and over... Hence the joke, "Jehovah's people are brainwashed, that's why we have the cleanest brains of anyone on earth, hahahaha"...., Remember that?

  Well, if you plan vacations, events, hobbies that take them away from meetings, service, etc (not all at once, you have to build a desire, everyone WANTS to have fun, but are made to feel 'guilty' about it, right?) That hamster wheel of activity is there for a purpose,,.. to keep your brain engaged, WT needs that, desperately.

  How old are your kids? All kids love to have fun, let them, help them. Inch by inch (just like WT did to us) get their brainwaves on another track. (Each parent has the 'right' -as WT likes to point out- to spend time with their kids in the way they want... )

  I also feel that talking to friends, other ex-jw's has it's advantages. A therapist is good for seeing the big pic, dealing with frustrations, and if you can't sleep? drugs to help.

  When you first leave, it is quite a mix.... So sorry that you still have your family in. keep writing, keep living, singing, dancing, exercising, traveling,hobbying.

  I hope this helps,

  cha ching
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  False oath in Russia

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i'll be the first to say that the russian government is pretty terrible and overreaching in its', power but that's not what this is about.

  in a recent hearing, a witness for the jws said this under oath:.

  one thing makes jehovah’s witnesses unique: they do not rely on strict rules or the authority of any particular leader, instead, they try to help adherents develop a bible-trained conscience so that each individual can personally and voluntarily make decisions guided by the bible.. i'm sorry but that is just not true.

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  JeffT...
  The trouble is the average JW probably actually believes that bullshit

  Very true, in one way, and not in another... That is the brilliance of WT.

  I agree that their brains are trained to think that they "have no rules"... they aren't 'rules', they 'have a Bible trained conscience'... (trained by the rules in the WT)

  Yet, in a flick of a switch, when I went to see my non JW dad, one of the first things out of my mother's mouth was:

  "I can't talk to you. You know the rules"

  Enter "cognitive dissonance.".... Two realities at the same time. ;-)